What is it?

This is actually only a fix to an issue that came with the 2 second attack delay after going up or down ladders, rope spots etc. This was introduced to protect monsters, but it also protects players. Therefore, you can now attack players also within the first 2 seconds, but only with single directed attacks, so no area runes, field runes, area spells, burst arrows etc. (pretty much like black skulls too).

What should be tested?

- Does it work correctly?
- Are there ways to abuse this?
- Does it break anything else in the game?
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Don'Tribioni (233MS) and Retri~(45MS) tested the stair hopping.

No delay on the attacks when changing levels.

Then Don became the "pk'r" and Retri was stairhopping to try to escape.

Don commented that he felt he would be able to kill the lower level now that the delay is gone.

So it going to work as intended for 1 on 1.

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Additional test done in a hunting spot (bear cave) and the 2 second block on area spells works like intended.

Single attacks just fine, no area damage.

Looks like this one is clean, any objections?
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It won't be clean until we won't be able to sort players/mobs in battle list like we want, given that in a crowed room just aim-botters will be able to aim their targets with no delay.

Also, something should be done to fix 'jumping' knights, given that they are the only vocation with weak distance attacks.

But well, one can't obtain all at once.


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Originally posted by Aleppe on 28.08.2010 16:18:50:
> It won't be clean until we won't be able to sort
> players/mobs in battle list like we want, given that
> in a crowed room just aim-botters will be able to aim
> their targets with no delay.
>
> Also, something should be done to fix 'jumping'
> knights, given that they are the only vocation with
> weak distance attacks.
>
> But well, one can't obtain all at once.
>
>
> Aleppe

Aleppe makes a good point about the sorting on the battle box. Regretfully that has not been part of the discussion, nor part of this solution.

It is however already being considered in the development of the flash client, so let us all hope that my collegues come up with a good solution to this problem.
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Well, there is another issue here: I've tried to staihop stacking below a NPC in Yal magician quarter (08:46 Ortheus: What's your business here with the magicians, Aleppe?) 1x hero spawn: I could use avalanche with no delay.

Can somebody check it too?
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It's fine as long as the fighters do not cheat. Aim-botters (target lock) will have a big advantage over non-cheaters.

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Azzy
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Well hopefully the autodetection system does its job then.. :d
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Originally posted by Aleppe on 29.08.2010 08:52:53:
> Well, there is another issue here: I've tried to
> staihop stacking below a NPC in Yal magician quarter
> (08:46 Ortheus: What's your business here with the
> magicians, Aleppe?) 1x hero spawn: I could use
> avalanche with no delay.
>
> Can somebody check it too?

Nothing like that happened to me. I've tested it at same place and with same runes as you.

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Originally posted by Azriel on 29.08.2010 11:13:58:
> Originally posted by Aleppe on 29.08.2010
> 08:52:53:
> > Well, there is another issue here: I've tried to
> > staihop stacking below a NPC in Yal magician
> quarter
> > (08:46 Ortheus: What's your business here with the
> > magicians, Aleppe?) 1x hero spawn: I could use
> > avalanche with no delay.
> >
> > Can somebody check it too?
>
> Nothing like that happened to me. I've tested it at
> same place and with same runes as you.
>
> Yours,
> Azzy

Hmm, so I have to thank my lags once more...
Thx to have checked it!


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So, apart from older problems, this feature in itself seems to not require any more tuning in this test.
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Yes this features seems to work exactly like intended.
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Works perfectly and was highly demanded, a great step taken!

even with this rule removed its impossible to kill someone that jumps up and down strais as long as they have potions or mana to heal with why not just make all attacks works like before but put a 2 secounds exhastion on walking up and down things as long as your not in a pz zone (you should be able to move freely in your own house)

that would eliminate the way people jumped up and shot area of effect spells on monsters and then jumped down to be safe, if your trapped up there for 2 secounds it will give the monsters equal chance to attack the player as it is now but also the chance for players to attack back,
it makes no sense that you would allow monsters to hit you for 2 seconds and maybe even die without attacking back
where it makes more sense that you would be exhasted from walking up stairs, or climb a rope/ladder.

This change sounds good so far.

It would be even better, as someone suggested, that if your target switches floor your attack on him will still hold for 1 (or maybe more) seconds (this seems to happen sometimes already but it does not happen all the time).
So if your target switch floor and you go after him you dont need to retake attack on him after every floor change.
This should limit the effectiveness of escaping by jumping in stairs etc

Has anyone proposed making all skulled players on your screen appear at the top of the battle window above all non skulled players? This could help with having to scroll through the mob of players in your battle window to find the skulled people.
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It seems that people are ok with this change as such. The only feedback here concerns additional problems with chasing someone across stairs, but it seems, the fix itself receives no criticism at all, so no reason to work on this fix either.

Additional topics concerning aiming, battle list etc are worked on with the flash client, but will not be relevant here.
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It's a step in the right direction however I must say:

1. it was better completely untouched (before spell/level change delay)

2. This new change doesn't make much difference; instead of being hit with a wand 1 time you get hit with an SD one time. Unless you can kill the person in 1 single hit (unlikely), then they can still stair hop and heal for as long as they want.

Stairhopping will not be solved until we see a stairway usage exhaustion feature which functions similar to the "anti spam" feature, IE, hopping up and down a stairway 10 times in rapid succession would cause a delay of several seconds the next time you want to use it.
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Originally posted by Deathrider Mot on 13.09.2010 19:45:11:
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> Stairhopping will not be solved until we see a
> stairway usage exhaustion feature which functions
> similar to the "anti spam" feature, IE, hopping up
> and down a stairway 10 times in rapid succession
> would cause a delay of several seconds the next time
> you want to use it.


That's the first time you've ever said anything that is interesting and worthy of being looked into. Stairhopping exhaustion is an interesting idea that should be explored further. Perhaps as part of phase 2.
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Excellent work. This is a change for the better =)
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i like alot the change but :


Originally posted by Craban on 27.08.2010 12:58:47:
> What is it?
>
[...]
> - Are there ways to abuse this?

we come back to point A :

cheaters will stack in ankrahmun with their "auto sd" and enemy list and wait untill one of their war enemies come on their screen. as soon as he does : HEADSHOT.

my opinion :

put it differently :

still only 8 people on a stack can attack / be attacked, BUT NOT THE FIRST 8 ON THE STACK.

lets say there are only 8 players on a stack, they all can attack/be attacked.

but if you have 9 players : players #1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9 could attack.

lets say u have 16 : players #1, 3,5,7,9,11,13,15.

this would ensure that you could not stack in order to abuse protection for a skulled character (since adding more people to the stack shows different players than previously), but you still couldnt stack in ank with cheaters killing you instantly.

(i do not support cheating)




2nd way to fix the problem ::: nobody is hidden on a stack and cip updates their bot detection system to automatically delete any player detected AS SOON AS HE IS DETECTED, ensuring nobody can use the stack to headshot people with cheats opened

edit, wrong thread... nvm

Craban, is it possible to have the client lock on with red box to give non aim botters a chance to stairhop fight on even grounds? I dont imagine it would be that hard to streamline into the autumn patch even.



maybe im wrong though

 

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Originally posted by Guardakan on 16.09.2010 20:14:14:

>
> 2nd way to fix the problem ::: nobody is hidden on a
> stack and cip updates their bot detection system to
> automatically delete any player detected AS SOON AS
> HE IS DETECTED, ensuring nobody can use the stack to
> headshot people with cheats opened

Fully support this point! All who use warbots should be instantly deleted.

I would also delete all accounts caught for botting who are less then 3 month old (no matter what bots they use).

This would solve many problems
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